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Title: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on July 13, 2005, 03:10:09 AM
Hello,

I have talked to a few people today who are suspended from GDI due to spam. They have to pay a $200 fine in order to be an active member again. I think it's important to address the spam policies so everyone is aware of what is considered spam and what isn't. You can find the information below in the FAQ's in your member's area.

Spam Policy
At WebSite.ws, we are fully aware of our responsibilities as honorable Internet citizens, and we maintain a ZERO TOLERANCE Spam Policy accordingly. We are highly sensitive to the privacy of and are dedicated to protecting the rights of all Internet citizens. We vigorously oppose the sending of unsolicited e-messages (Spam) and will make every effort to enforce our strict Anti-Spam policies.

WebSite.ws does NOT allow anyone to use our products or services for the purpose of sending Spam, nor do we allow our products or services to be referenced in Spam. If a customer sends Spam to anyone, his or her account will be terminated.

Definition of Spam
Spam is ANY and ALL unsolicited e-mail or alternative electronic messages. Any promotion, information, or solicitation sent to a person without their DIRECT prior consent is Spam. Examples of Spam (consist of, but are NOT limited to):

Any e-message is Spam if sent to a recipient who had previously signed up to receive newsletters, product information, or any other type of e-message, but later opted-out by indicating to the sender they no longer wish to receive additional e-messages.
Any e-message sent to recipients that have had no prior association with the sender or did not DIRECTLY agree to be contacted by the sender is Spam.
Any e-message sent to recipients obtained from "opt-in" lists with whom the sender has no prior association is Spam.
Any e-message sent to a recipient without a clear way for a person to opt-out or request future messages not be sent to them, is Spam.
Any e-message sent or posted via chat rooms, instant messaging systems, newsgroups, message boards, or Usenet is Spam.
Any e-message that does not have a valid reply-to address is Spam.

What is NOT Spam?
A message is NOT Spam if the recipient directly requested information be sent to them from the sender or the sender's organization, and that recipient has not subsequently asked for removal from their list.

If you are unsure as to whether a particular e-message violates this policy, the e-message will most likely be considered Spam. If you have any questions about our Anti-Spam Policy, or if you want to report a violation of our policies, please contact spam@website.ws.

Nicole


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: SSmith on July 13, 2005, 06:40:57 AM
Wow.

Do you know where I and anyone else without html code knowledge can get 'opt out' message to put at the bottom of our emails to friends, family, and followups.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: KarenB on July 13, 2005, 11:23:05 AM
Wow.

Do you know where I and anyone else without html code knowledge can get 'opt out' message to put at the bottom of our emails to friends, family, and followups.

I'm not sure about how to do that exactly (but I believe the emails sent out via the 'invite' section already has this included? or do the recipients just simply ignore?), but I was thinking that as far as your family or friends are concerned, it would not be considered spam if they know who you are and you are communicating with them about it. If they are not interested they would simply tell you?

Another easier way to suggest is to recommend they "reply to this email with 'not interested' in the subject line", or something similar? So you can then take them off your list. (I dunno if this is what they mean in the "Anti-Spam" Policy)

hmm, I dunno, to my mind:

a. I wouldn't email directly anyone I don't actually know, not without any prior communication to see if they would be interested first before even thinking of giving them links.

b. I make use of the fully auto-mated mail-outs available through the 'Leads' area of the GDI member area to play it safe.

I hope this helps

~Karen


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: JNapier on July 14, 2005, 03:21:12 AM
Fortunately I haven't had any spam complaints after sending out up to 75,000 leads since I started in February. I have now stopped the purchased lead programs since I am concerned over spam. I have decided to build my own list from direct contact so I have been busy coming up with other marketing plans to build my business. 

All my best,
Norma  :o

If life hands you lemons, plant the seeds and one day you will have a rich harvest


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Roxanne G on July 14, 2005, 10:05:44 AM
An opt out is simply a statement at the bottom of the email saying something like:

If you no longer wish to recieve correspondence from me, please reply to this message with remove in the subject line.



Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: G Williams1 on July 19, 2005, 03:30:22 AM
Thanks Nicole et all,

While I was looking at this opportunity I got 1 email promoting something else.  It was clear it came from an individual connected with this opportunity.  true it was only  one....  But it takes only one ! I want to be able to assure   family, friends and strangers that they won't be bothered by unwanted emai offers.

If we are professional it will show and enable us to build real teams of people. So please NO SPAM !

Thanks Greg                                           


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: CristinM on August 12, 2005, 01:09:53 AM
Can they even consider that spam? I mean, these people obviously opted in at some point! Also, GDI wouldn't give these leads vendors the time of day if they didn't trust their sources.

. I have now stopped the purchased lead programs since I am concerned over spam.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Deborah H on August 14, 2005, 04:46:13 PM
When I was trying to pin down what was not working with my GDI email forwarding thingy. Never did figure that out-it just started to work again. Weird. But during that period I turned off my ISP spam program. I now get loads of spam. Much without even the disclaimer or opt out notice at the bottom. I wonder how they get away with all that.
But I still have the spam stopper not turned on. I am starting to get into the spam. Some of it is downright rude and others are tooo funny. I may be turning into a spam junkie here!!! Help before I turn into a spammer too!! Oh it hurts! But honestly it is way funny-my sides hurt from laughing at the spam I get!  :D
I am sick-but I know it.
Deborah H
ps, SPAMing is bad guys--don't do it..you won't be laughing when you get caught if you are doing it. 8)


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Kyra Tuey on August 14, 2005, 05:01:53 PM
As long as you are purchasing *leads* from a decent company, GDI can't blame you for *spamming*. When I say decent, I mean that these leads have like email address, first and last names, phone numbers, mailing addresses, IP addresses and request dates. As long as you have all of that information for ALL of your leads...and you are in compliant with the SPAM laws...you provide your mailing address (can be a PO Box) and a way to remove their email from BOTH your emails & GDI's invite system, than there's no way that you can get *in trouble* for SPAM. Just make sure that you are compliant with ALL of the laws. You have to be responsible about it. If you aren't, not only will you lose your capabilities with GDI, but also you can be fined some SERIOUS cash for spamming. So...be careful!

Kyra  :)


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: JNapier on August 15, 2005, 12:59:10 AM
I am a spam hater through and through. I haven' t found one thing funny about it yet. Too much of it is pure filth and tells me a lot about the person sending it.

My husband who is the quiet reserved type received a filthy spam email from a person who used the name of a female church going friend from back home.  This email really shook him up and he quickly called for me to take a look. However, when I checked out the email address I knew at once it wasn't the friend from back home.  The subject heading didn't give a clue to the content or he wouldn't have opened it to start with.

I have received several spam emails which I thought were from people I know.  It seems some people will use all kinds of trickery to get to you.  Wouldn't it be great if they would all disappear?  Where is David Copperfield when I need him?

All my best,
Norma  :o


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: David_Z on August 15, 2005, 08:20:54 PM
Can Kyra's post be taken as authoritative?


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: CJ Barlow on August 15, 2005, 09:32:18 PM
Personally, I bought 15,000 leads from a company that a Heavy Hitter uses. I use the same mailing program as Art Kovach and usually send around 5k e-mails a day out. I have been doing this for a month and I do the following to stay CAN-SPAM compliant:

1) Copy GDI's "Subject Line"
2) Make sure (i triple check before mailing) that the Removal link for GDI is working
3) Have another method of Opt-out, I have the people send me an email, subject line:
Remove Me - email address in the body
4) I place these removed e-mails in a text file that my mailing program checks against. It does NOT send to anyone on that list, I tested it myself.


Most importantly, if you do decide to send the invites yourself (not via Bulkmailer.ws, GDI etc.) REMOVE EVERYONE who requests it ASAP and test your message, send it to your own e-mail address and see if it looks right. I have only had ONE threat (no complant sent) that was just a misunderstanding from about 30,000 leads (Full Data, that means First Name, Last Name, etc.) just keep it clean and you will do fine.

CJ


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Aaron B on August 16, 2005, 10:25:42 AM
how do we take people off of our list if they were put in in the "invite" section and requested that we stop sending them stuff?


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on August 16, 2005, 10:27:14 AM
how do we take people off of our list if they were put in in the "invite" section and requested that we stop sending them stuff?

http://mailing.gdi.ws/delete


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: MichelleG on August 17, 2005, 10:09:34 PM
can the link to remove emails be put in our back office??

I don't often have to remove emails but when I do I have to search through the forum for the link..

Just a suggestion..

thanks
Michelle


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on August 17, 2005, 10:20:07 PM
can the link to remove emails be put in our back office??

I don't often have to remove emails but when I do I have to search through the forum for the link..

Just a suggestion..

thanks
Michelle


Hi Michelle,

You can save the URL to your favorites.

Nicole


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Deborah H on August 19, 2005, 08:45:01 AM
My favorites are so long I can't find anything in them without a huge search. Is there a GDI favorites I missed somewhere? Otherwise you can print out stuff like this and keep it in a file.
Deborah H :)


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: CJ Barlow on August 22, 2005, 10:57:09 AM
I am wondering, a buddy of mine who is on my upline got in trouble recently for spamming. Him and I send out the exact same emails with same programs and all, we just send the invites to different people.

But, my real question is, does GDI reactive your account and tell you exactly what you did wrong after you respond to the abuse email they send you? I just want to know because it could save me future trouble.

Thanks

CJ


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on August 22, 2005, 11:09:10 AM
I am wondering, a buddy of mine who is on my upline got in trouble recently for spamming. Him and I send out the exact same emails with same programs and all, we just send the invites to different people.

But, my real question is, does GDI reactive your account and tell you exactly what you did wrong after you respond to the abuse email they send you? I just want to know because it could save me future trouble.

Thanks

CJ

Hello CJ,

You'll be hit with a fine and after it's paid, your account may be considered for re-activation. This is an issue that needs to be directed to GDI's Support Team.

Nicole



Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ColleenWhittaker on August 22, 2005, 07:04:21 PM
I really want to understand the rules for leads.  The GDI leads are too expensive.  Can you purchase leads from a good company and not have to worry about spam?  Can you send them through the GDI invite? Will someone please help clear this up.  I always heard that the purchased leads, are compiled from people who wanted information about work-at-home.  I really can't understand how anyone could send out 100 invites a day without some other type of puchased leads.  If you aren't allowed to do this, how can you afford to generate enough traffic.   Help!!!! thanks, I'm a newbie.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: MasVenturesCorp on August 22, 2005, 08:13:13 PM
Hello and I am new to all of this.

I have a question, are using rotators, considered spam ?
I use several online rotators to promote my companies and was wondering if i can use them?

Thank you
MVC


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on August 22, 2005, 08:29:08 PM
Hello and I am new to all of this.

I have a question, are using rotators, considered spam ?
I use several online rotators to promote my companies and was wondering if i can use them?

Thank you
MVC

I believe rotators are involved with traffic exchanges? If not, please correct me. In this case no, it's not considered spam because you have to sign up as a member at these exchanges and, the whole point is to view sites so that you generate traffic to yours.

Nicole


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Dennis F on August 25, 2005, 09:48:45 PM
Quote
MasVenturesCorp,  are using rotators, considered spam ?
   
   Not Spam ...BUT make sure you do not violate the site terms and agreements, then you do get negetive feedback.
 Rotators,  have the capability of "rotating" multiple sites off of one url

Now 95% of the sites have thier own rotator and Do Not Allow you to use your own. And you can get banned

So READ the terms and agreements carefully before trying to submitt you own rotator if you have one you use.

I don not submitt rotator urls because you can get in trouble ...I do however use a homepage rotator....every time I open up the window I advertise on a different site..very useful if you have multiple accounts this way you can actively use each site by keeping them in a rotation and not violate the sites terms and agreements.        Hope the is helpfull

 


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ShericeE on August 29, 2005, 09:45:55 PM
I have a question regarding the spam policy..... 

Any e-message sent or posted via chat rooms, instant messaging systems, newsgroups, message boards, or Usenet is Spam

My question is in regards to msg boards.  I believe I have seen posts to the effect of posting on msg boards or forums.  I can see chat rooms, IM's ect. But I have to admit that I did post banners on a couple voy forums.  They were business opportunity forums (voy was the first free site I found) If I'm not mistaken most of them said post your opportunity type of thing.  So what is the rules about that?   I want to make certain, I don't want to be a SPAMMER!!!  As I get WAY to many of them myself and don't like them!! But now here's a question.....  If someone sends you an email regarding an opportunity can we send ours to them?  "YEAH yours sounds nice but mines better!!"  LOL


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on August 29, 2005, 09:54:31 PM
I have a question regarding the spam policy..... 

Any e-message sent or posted via chat rooms, instant messaging systems, newsgroups, message boards, or Usenet is Spam

My question is in regards to msg boards.  I believe I have seen posts to the effect of posting on msg boards or forums.  I can see chat rooms, IM's ect. But I have to admit that I did post banners on a couple voy forums.  They were business opportunity forums (voy was the first free site I found) If I'm not mistaken most of them said post your opportunity type of thing.  So what is the rules about that?   I want to make certain, I don't want to be a SPAMMER!!!  As I get WAY to many of them myself and don't like them!! But now here's a question.....  If someone sends you an email regarding an opportunity can we send ours to them?  "YEAH yours sounds nice but mines better!!"  LOL

Hello Sherice,

Always read the Website's user agreement and privacy policy to be on the safe side. Different forums, different rules.

Voy's user agreement clearly states the following: You will not engage in unsolicited advertising to other members or users of VoyForums to buy or sell any products or services.

Nicole


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ShericeE on August 30, 2005, 12:01:15 PM
YIKES!!  :o   Thanks Nicole!!  I will rememeber to read the useragreeement and privacy policy before hand from now on.  Guess I was thinking "their forum said post your opportunity" so I did.  THANK YOU!!!


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: BKeppel on August 30, 2005, 12:05:08 PM
Buying 100'000 GDI business cards and dropping them over a residial area from a C-130 transport plane is also considered spam.
I'm surprised its never been mentioned before. Now that could get you into real trouble!

 ;D


Spam is also not very effective at recruiting members - how many of you actually take anything that lands in the spam folder seriously?
That's where personal contact comes into play - just knowing the person can make a GDI invite really legit.

I'm currently sneaking in links to GDI's hosting services on my websites. Just to be safe, I keep links at least one click away from the main page, so that if my personal pages are linked from forums, it isn't considered as spam.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: BKeppel on August 30, 2005, 04:13:13 PM
Fortunately I haven't had any spam complaints after sending out up to 75,000 leads since I started in February. I have now stopped the purchased lead programs since I am concerned over spam.

Wow - that's a big number of leads. How were your results? Even if only 0.01% sign up, that's already 750 people!

Due to the Spam policy I've only bought leads once, and haven't tried since.

I hope you can't get flagged for spam abuse for using GDI's new leads!
(Are you protected if you only buy leads this way?)


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Dennis F on August 30, 2005, 07:53:59 PM
A safe targeted group to email is from safelists. What is a Safelist?  ???

DEFINITIONBasically, a safelist is a group of people all willing to receive promotions via email
 
By definition then, that means that safelists are what is known as "opt-in". Opt-in is when:

1. People actively choose to receive your message by signing in some manner
2. People can opt-out or unsubscribe from the list at any time

And a better opt in lister is a person that double verifies for thier opt in by filling out and then comfirming with an email. ;D

  And if you want to do some self educating on the subject do a google on safelists.  Becuase spamming "unknowingly even" can get you banned from you ISP even.
In closing I would say Fly striaght and keep Your Name and everyone you represent respectable.
 
Also I emphasize to Read Terms and Agreements to all sites, software, and services.
 


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Yvonne Acuna on September 07, 2005, 03:30:09 AM
I really want to understand the rules for leads.  The GDI leads are too expensive.  Can you purchase leads from a good company and not have to worry about spam?  Can you send them through the GDI invite? Will someone please help clear this up.  I always heard that the purchased leads, are compiled from people who wanted information about work-at-home.  I really can't understand how anyone could send out 100 invites a day without some other type of puchased leads.  If you aren't allowed to do this, how can you afford to generate enough traffic.   Help!!!! thanks, I'm a newbie.

I am also a newbie with the same questions.  Can somebody answer Colleen's questions?  Thanks to everyone with their inputs. 

Take Care and goodluck with your GDI BIZ!


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: DRowland on September 08, 2005, 07:06:59 AM
When I get leads, for any business, I only buy double opt in leads. What this means is that they fill out a form confirming that they want business opportunities. Usually there are two steps involved in this, hence the term double opt in. They fill out the form, then they confirm the information included.
Also, there are dozens of forums set up specifically for people to advertise their business. There are a lot of them through the yahoo forums, and also through hotmail. If you join those and advertise, you are usually asked to advertise once a day, but many ignore that rule.
I don't, because you can get kicked out of the group. But the point is, these are specifically to advertise in, so it's not considered spam. I would say that when you join, set your email options to reading the ads on the website, otherwise you will recieve thousands of emails from everyone else. It's much easier to go to the groups home, and read what you want there.
It's not the most effective way to advertise, but it does get some results over the long term when people see you advertising the same program over and over.
Same principle with safe lists. People go there to post and read ads. So it's not spamming to post there because that is what they are there for. However, always read the terms and agreements before you post anything. And there are ways to get peoples attention in the chat rooms without spamming also.
I use the chat rooms a lot. That is where I've gotten my 4 sign ups from. If done properly, it can be very effective. Also, when someone emails you with an advertisement, you could try sending a bounce back email. When you send the email, do not send your business info.
Instead send something along the lines of:

Hi,

Thanks for sending me your offer, however, I am already with a business that is changing my financial future to the better, and I'm having a blast doing so. This is such a terrific program that I'm telling everyone I can about it. If you would some more information on what's got me so fired up, then please reply to this email and let me know.

Sincerely,
Dave
With this email, I am not spamming them, and if they reply, then they are giving me permission to send them information on my business. So it's not spam in this case.

Sincerely,
Dave

P.S. Notice I did not use a sig line in my reply.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: KarlS on September 21, 2005, 10:46:37 AM
can the link to remove emails be put in our back office??

I don't often have to remove emails but when I do I have to search through the forum for the link..

Just a suggestion..

thanks
Michelle


Hi...

 Each email I send with the invite has a removal link below. If one of those needs to be removed than just click that link your self...
It will remove the customer etc f

Karl


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: TroyW on October 03, 2005, 04:53:03 AM
As long as you are purchasing *leads* from a decent company, GDI can't blame you for *spamming*. When I say decent, I mean that these leads have like email address, first and last names, phone numbers, mailing addresses, IP addresses and request dates. As long as you have all of that information for ALL of your leads...and you are in compliant with the SPAM laws...you provide your mailing address (can be a PO Box) and a way to remove their email from BOTH your emails & GDI's invite system, than there's no way that you can get *in trouble* for SPAM. Just make sure that you are compliant with ALL of the laws. You have to be responsible about it. If you aren't, not only will you lose your capabilities with GDI, but also you can be fined some SERIOUS cash for spamming. So...be careful!

Kyra  :)
How can we even think of purchasing leads, which may be opt in leads and legitimate..when Nicole said"Any e-message sent to recipients obtained from "opt-in" lists with whom the sender has no prior association is Spam."
How are we meant to market then? safelists mmmm!!
I am afraid that leaves personal referrals and contacts.
Any other ideas on marketing guys and gals....


Title: Very important NEW spam policy...
Post by: ChadF on October 04, 2005, 03:41:55 PM
Hello fellow members... most of you probably aren't aware that you must provide an opt-out link that forwards to the GDI e-mail removal page on every single e-mail invite that you send that is not being sent through GDI.

For instance, even in SAFE LISTS, you must provide a link to http://mailing.gdi.ws/delete even though the safe list e-mail already has an opt-out link of its own.

If you don't believe me, you can contact the good folks on the support team like Wesley, Isaac and Mireya. This new rule will also be updated immediately in the GDI spam policies.

You may want to contact your down line and let them know before they make a mistake. If GDI finds that you didn't include that link in all of your out going GDI invites, you have to pay a $200 account reactivation fee.

So, ALWAYS include a link to the GDI e-mail address removal page at http://mailing.gdi.ws/delete on all non-back office GDI invites. This includes safe lists, bulk mail, auto-responders, etc.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChrisAdamson on October 04, 2005, 06:07:08 PM
Chad, doest most auto responders have that all ready, i know mine does, if they dont want emails from me they click to remove link and they stop geting sent to them. Thanks for the heads up  ;D


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Roxanne G on October 04, 2005, 08:05:45 PM
GDI wants people to opt out at the GDI site because of this:

Let's say Suzie emails Joey and Joey opts out of emails with Suzie, but Suzie doesn't opt him out of GDI emails.  Then Carol gets Joeys name (because we all know that if someone filled out one form, they've probably filled out many) and she emails Joey about GDI.  Joey opts out of Carol's autoresponder, but Carol's autoresponder does not opt him out of GDI.  Then Jeff gets Joeys name and plugs him into the invite system.  Now Joey has gotten 3 emails from GDI (or so he thinks) and he knows he has opted out, so he is P*SS*D.  He turns GDI into the gov't for spamming him and GDI has to deal with it.  Also, Jeff will probably get kicked out of GDI and/or fined.  Poor Jeff only emailed Joey once, but now he is fined and has all kinds of problems.  That is why GDI wants people to opt out at the GDI site.

 ;)


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChrisAdamson on October 04, 2005, 08:36:54 PM
 I SEE WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT YOUR FORGETING SOMTHING! YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE EMAILS ARE COMING FROM, WITH YOU EXAMPLE THERE WOULD BE TWO OR THREE DIFRENT EMAIL ADRESSES AND IP ADDRESS ,SO JOEY WOULD KNOW THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE CAUSE HE WOULD SEE DIFFRENT NAMES FROM THE INVITES SENT. ALSO IM ALMOST SURE THAT ONCE A PERSON OPTS OUT FROM THE GDI INVITE SYSTEM,NO ONE CAN SEND THEM A INVITE FROM THE GDI INVITE SYSTEM, I BOUGHT LEADS, ENTERED THEM INTO THE GDI INVITE SYSTEM AND A FEW WOULD NOT BE SENT CAUSE THEY WERE OPTED OUT.  BESIDES YOUR ONLY SUPPOST TO SEND INVITE THROUGH GDI IF WE PERSONALY KNOW THEM, OR IF THERE OPTED-IN LEADS THAT ARE TIME STAMPED ,AND IP ADDRESS. IF IM WORNG ABOUT THIS PLEASE LET ME KNOW.  ;D HAVE A GREAT DAY


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChadF on October 04, 2005, 09:59:41 PM
Chris, regardless of whether or not your autoresponder has its own opt-out link, you MUST also provide the GDI opt-out link in conjunction.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: TroyW on October 04, 2005, 09:59:41 PM
Once again I say....
How can we even think of purchasing leads, which may be opt in leads and legitimate..when Nicole said"Any e-message sent to recipients obtained from "opt-in" lists with whom the sender has no prior association is Spam."

Yet I still see people using opt in lists...am I missing something.
I do not want to do the wrong thing.
thanks



Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChadF on October 04, 2005, 10:21:29 PM
Good question, I believe we are supposed to first e-mail them and ask if they would like more information on your opportunity. But then again, nearly everyone I talk to purchases ip address/timestamped leads and submits them through the invite system without prior contact. Nicole, can you clear this up?


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChrisAdamson on October 04, 2005, 11:17:30 PM
Chad,

you got that wrong, we dont email them to ask because the person dont know us, if you have there phone number you can call them, then send the email if its ok.

troy,

With leads, when someone fills out info to a company or where ever, they opted-in themself to receive emails for business opportunitys. so if i buy leads i can send them to the people without asking them first, so there for its not spam i beleave, cause they elected to get emails about the opportunitys untill they opt-out. But this does not give you he right to email them not stop, then yes that would be spaming. Once again if im wrong someone please say so. troy i just think you may have miss understood what nicole had said. hope this helps  ;D good luck to both of you.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Roxanne G on October 05, 2005, 07:26:08 AM
If you have ONE (just ONE and ONLY ONE) person email GDI and say you are spamming them (even if they are opt in leads) your GDI account (including your personal website) will IMMEDIATELY BE SUSPENDED.  It happened to me.  I had to jump through all kinds of hoops and go back to the original lead provider and get the lead capture page and the original form that was filled out.  I had to get a statement from the lead provider.  Even though I had the IP address and date/time stamp, it wasn't enough.  AND - according to GDI - even if you can get these things, if it ever happens again, you will be terminated WITHOUT notice until a fine is paid.

If you are purchasing leads from someone who purchases them from someone else for resale, you may not be able to get that info so easily even though they come with IP and date/time.  That is not always enough.  GDI takes this very seriously.  Make sure the lead source you are using can provide these things if ever needed. 

I no longer send people to GDI.  I send them directly to my website and I set up a link in my emails to report spam to spam@mywebsite.ws.  That way, they don't even go to the GDI site unless they want to sign up. 



Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChadF on October 05, 2005, 09:42:07 AM
Chris, you said it yourself, they opted-in to receive a business opportunity offer, therefore it is not spam and you can contact them even if you don't know them. Lot's of times I will include their opt-in information for proof. However, to also stay in accordance with GDI's spam policy, you need to ask them if you can send them information because GDI only wants invites going to people that you have had previous contact with or leads that were purchased from GDI directly.

I have submitted a support inquiry to the support team and we shall soon have the correct answer.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChadF on October 05, 2005, 05:59:04 PM
Ok, here it is... I asked support if we are allowed to submit leads that we purchase outside of GDI into the invite system and the answer is NO. Here is the response from "Lupe".

Good Afternoon,

It is at your discretion to purchase outside leads. However you are not
able to use the invite system from within your affiliate account to send
them out.  You may use your outside email address if you wish to do so.

Kindest Regards,

Lupe
.WS Affiliate Support


So there you have it. You cannot manually enter outside leads into the invite system. So those of you who are manually entering 100 per day into the system, I suggest you stop before your account gets suspended.

Also, to recap what I stated earlier, you must provide a link to the GDI e-mail removal page on every GDI related message you send. This includes every e-mail (even if it is with a newsletter), this also includes every safe list e-mail (even if that safe list has its own opt-out link).

If you want to enter your leads into an autoresponder, I would recommend GetResponse or ProAutoResponder.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: ChrisAdamson on October 05, 2005, 06:05:41 PM
Great job chad, thanks for taking the time to clear this all up, you just saved alot of Gdi members a big headack. With this business we will allways have the shadow of spam hanging over our heads, but if you stick by the rules, we will be fine. If you have any doubts ask someone first like chad has done.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: MarkLeinonen on October 09, 2005, 09:25:00 PM
Buying 100'000 GDI business cards and dropping them over a residial area from a C-130 transport plane is also considered spam.
I'm surprised its never been mentioned before. Now that could get you into real trouble!


I believe I received a letter form GDI about someone buying 50,000 cards and putting them on the cars at the Super Bowl.  Woundn't this be considered SPAM also.  Again this letter came directly from GDI.
-Mark


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: DonaldHarvevy on October 09, 2005, 09:36:06 PM
I am new, and I read all of the posts only to find out this was solved four days ago. I said I am new, I mean just new to GDI.

I have two suggestions, use your own e-mail program, such as Outlook 2003. Import you purchased, surveyed leads. Write your own ads, and use the mail merge feature.  Introduce yourself to them, with the prospect of helping them to reach thier financial goals. Give them a link in your e-mail to verify they want such information. Make them understand you want their permission to send them the info they requested, but that out of courtesy, you want to verify they want it first. Include all of your personal contact information, I suggest a picture of yourself at the top. Once they have been verified you can freely give them your web address, and work them throug the system. Continue to e-mail and attempt to verify the rest of them until they tell you to stop. If you can't get verifications the leads are not going to be worth taking the risk of getting a spamming charge.

This is how you can build a data base where people know they aren't being spammed. It is a little work at first, but you can successfully process many thousands of people in a short period of time.

Secondly, print out all e-mails from respondants, keep the original list that contains the information they provided when they asled for business opportunities, thier IP address etc., and always put a link for them to opt out in your prospecting e-mails.

Of course, once you have a verified prospect, move them into GDI's program, (do not use the invite system, provide them with your links), be sure to follow the rules set forth by GDI. Let them know you will call them to see what they thought of the video, then follow up with a phone call whether they watch the video or not. You can verbally verify their interest, or lack thereof and proceed accordingly. Another e-mail is to risky because you may not know if they have notified GDI that they want to be removed.  Remeber we are not here to sell, once you verify, let the program do the work. 

Continue to try to verify people until they tell you to stop, you never know when a persons life will change and they are ready to move forward. Never move past prospecting for verified leads until a lead is verified. You don't have a good prospect until then anyway.  (You should never mention GDI until it has been verified that the prospect wants more information).

A little pre-screening will go a long way.

Now, having said all that, work up a circle of influence, at least 200 names, (we all know at least 2,000), talk to them all discounting no one, ask for referrals from those not interested, and really work your warm market, that is where most success comes from in networking. Remeber, a good referral is a warm lead, then follow up, the key is in the follow up.

I work both markets because I do havve time at home when I cannot work my warm market. I also work my meet market, give it a try. Whatever you do to promote your business, activity, consistency, and persistence are the keys!

Sorry for being a wind bag. Anybody who wants help to set this up can contact me.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: SVaz on November 17, 2005, 11:59:08 PM
I am still not clear about what sort of removal link I need to include in ads sent to safelists. Can you clarify this?


Title: SPAM question ?
Post by: J Hughes on March 01, 2006, 04:02:06 PM
I have trying to find ways to work around spam.  I think I have found a way.  Can I legally send out inticing letters to people to draw them into e-mailling me so I can then send them my URL ?  I know that if I send them the e-mail with my gdi URL in it straight off the bat,  that this is considered spamming but if they were to email me back about what kind of business I had after reading my email,  could I then give them my URL ?  After all,  they are wanting to know what my business is if they email back.

Thanks to anyone who repsonds.  I really appreciate all the help I can get on this subject.  Please keep posting your answers.  Just cause' one person responds doesn't mean that I don't need anyone elses opinion on the matter.


Title: spam question
Post by: LisaWestberg on April 25, 2006, 02:53:44 PM
hi,

I get a lot of emails about working from home off people tell me about there work at home busniess. if i was to reply to them with my GDI business  is that spamming?   I just want to be sure.


thank you
Lisa


Title: Is this considered spamming?
Post by: Derrick Janisz on June 09, 2006, 09:44:12 AM
In the latest GDI newsletter this recommendation was made -

Quote
If you want to use free traffic to build your GDI organization, try this. The next time you are surfing, closely examine every page you look at. Determine if something about it tells you that the person who is advertising it might be a good prospect for GDI, and if they are - contact them with a personal message.

Could this be considered as spamming?


Title: Re: Is this considered spamming?
Post by: mack88 on June 09, 2006, 12:37:09 PM
In the latest GDI newsletter this recommendation was made -

Quote
If you want to use free traffic to build your GDI organization, try this. The next time you are surfing, closely examine every page you look at. Determine if something about it tells you that the person who is advertising it might be a good prospect for GDI, and if they are - contact them with a personal message.

Could this be considered as spamming?


It could be depending on how you do it.  Take it one step further and make the phone call if a number is available.  If you do decide to email, do not hide behind the email.  Introduce yourself, provide contact information.  In the email you would want to state something like this:

My name is so and so.  I visited your website www.website.com/whatever?/go/username and noticed that you do not have your very own domain name.  Ask them if they would be open to receive additional information in regards to domain names and webhosting.

Get the point? Just a suggestion.  One thing you need to realize is that most people do not open emails from people they do not know.  That is why you hear people complaining about they sent emails to their leads or whatever, and no one opened.  It's really simple, they will not open if they do not know you.  That is why if it is feasible, one needs to make the call, then send the email.  That works a whole lot better.

Frank


Title: What if......?
Post by: Arthur_J on August 01, 2006, 09:56:38 AM
What if someone has become very successful with GDI. Really so much successful, that they can quit their job. What then, if someone files a spam complaint against you? It could even be from someone who knows you and wants to harm your success. The next logical thing that's going to happen is that your account gets suspended. I never hope to get to this point, but I've already seen it happen to some people. I assume it will happen unnoticed. You would just get an email with "your account has been blocked/removed because of spam complaints" in it.

And even if there is need for proof of SPAM, what if you promote somehow some way in the wrong way. Of course that's your own mistake but I almost feel too scared to put GDI into major advertising, experimenting with newer things....Not that I have been a great success yet, but it has always wondered me. In one day you could go from the happiest and richest man to a sad, poor and jobless man.....


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Peter Torgusen on October 04, 2006, 04:09:22 AM
The whole spam thing is Rediculous.  Spam should not even be an issue in this business!  Not
just GDI but all network marketers!  When I get junt mail in my mailbox from CC Companies can
I cry spam and will they get suspended!  Or all the other crap I recieve in my mailbox every
week!  The thing is, we are offering them something!  If they don't want it, they can opt-out!
I have talked to lots of GDI Affiliates who agree totally with me!  Even the Heavy Hitters!  I
hope that someday the internet will allow all business to have Free advertising through the use
of email without Spam Complaints.  If you really think about it,  you can't send any email ever
without there being a way for someone to cry SPAM!

Just for the record!  This is not GDI's fault but the internet community!  GDI is simply following
the rules and we have to decide if the risk is worth it!  If you purchase leads of people who
are simply asking for help to start a home based business, you should be able to help them.  Not
call them 10 times to make sure they won't charge you with SPAM.

This is just how I feel about the whole Spam Thing!

God Bless GDIer's,
Pete


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: DianaN on February 22, 2007, 01:23:34 PM
Hello, I am Diana from Romania !
Please , I need some help !
I have forwarded my domain & email and since I receive 20-30 mails/day from "mail delivery subsystem" , or firewall somthing !
My email adress is for example info@mydomainname and it looks like someone send mails from xyzt@mydomainname or efgp@mydomainname, etc
Can I get some spam complaints because of this ?
I think is just another form of spam, but I can help worry..

Thank You


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: SylvieD on March 01, 2007, 01:02:15 PM
hi 
I'm  new, realy newbee ...
And i'm  totaly afraid of spaming, cause I'm not 100% sure how to avoid it,  normaly  when I receve  some I onely delet it, with out crying out loud...
But  could  some one  ,  give me a  E-mail exemple,  everything  included, so I  may  edit it  for  my  use, but  that Is  1005  sure that I wont  be  considered as spaming...

thankx


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Susan_W1 on June 21, 2007, 12:14:17 PM
Hello,

I have talked to a few people today who are suspended from GDI due to spam. They have to pay a $200 fine in order to be an active member again. I think it's important to address the spam policies so everyone is aware of what is considered spam and what isn't. You can find the information below in the FAQ's in your member's area.

Spam Policy
At WebSite.ws, we are fully aware of our responsibilities as honorable Internet citizens, and we maintain a ZERO TOLERANCE Spam Policy accordingly. We are highly sensitive to the privacy of and are dedicated to protecting the rights of all Internet citizens. We vigorously oppose the sending of unsolicited e-messages (Spam) and will make every effort to enforce our strict Anti-Spam policies.

WebSite.ws does NOT allow anyone to use our products or services for the purpose of sending Spam, nor do we allow our products or services to be referenced in Spam. If a customer sends Spam to anyone, his or her account will be terminated.

Definition of Spam
Spam is ANY and ALL unsolicited e-mail or alternative electronic messages. Any promotion, information, or solicitation sent to a person without their DIRECT prior consent is Spam. Examples of Spam (consist of, but are NOT limited to):

Any e-message is Spam if sent to a recipient who had previously signed up to receive newsletters, product information, or any other type of e-message, but later opted-out by indicating to the sender they no longer wish to receive additional e-messages.
Any e-message sent to recipients that have had no prior association with the sender or did not DIRECTLY agree to be contacted by the sender is Spam.
Any e-message sent to recipients obtained from "opt-in" lists with whom the sender has no prior association is Spam.
Any e-message sent to a recipient without a clear way for a person to opt-out or request future messages not be sent to them, is Spam.
Any e-message sent or posted via chat rooms, instant messaging systems, newsgroups, message boards, or Usenet is Spam.
Any e-message that does not have a valid reply-to address is Spam.

What is NOT Spam?
A message is NOT Spam if the recipient directly requested information be sent to them from the sender or the sender's organization, and that recipient has not subsequently asked for removal from their list.

If you are unsure as to whether a particular e-message violates this policy, the e-message will most likely be considered Spam. If you have any questions about our Anti-Spam Policy, or if you want to report a violation of our policies, please contact spam@website.ws.

Nicole

Hello,
      I have read the paper on spam, is putting a sig on your email, with your link to your page spam ? from what I am reading it seems like it sure is. If so I need to take mine off.
                                                            Thank You in advance
 :-[


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: Nicole Taylor on June 21, 2007, 12:19:41 PM
Hello,

You have nothing to worry about as long as you are e-mailing people that have agreed to be contacted by you

Nicole


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: DaleParks on July 03, 2007, 03:22:31 AM
Dear GDI,

Will someone once and for all answer the spam question. I recognize the antispam link is available in our back office for individual emails. But for christ sake, you cannot enter the persons names individually within that link if you are doing a mass mailing or even 100 or 500 emails. I just spent time completely overhaulling my lead delivery system because the one GDI had made up was not working at all anymore. In doing my overhaul, I made an effort to copy and paste the HTML, over into my own created email campaign hoping it works for heavens sake (because I know nothing about HTML, so I hope it's correct. However, when I request the service to send me test emails and campaigns, whicih it would never do under the GDI premade campaign (of which no one has sastisfactorily explained to me why), now that I have added the GDI unsubscribe link to my email campaign, plus the service sending my emails also have their own spam opt out in it as well, but say GDI requires I have theirs in it as well, now I cannot get test email campaigns sent to me now since adding the GDI link.  I still go back to my premise in a previous post that receives poor response, that Jesus !!! GDI if we cannot mass email, target traffic, learn search engines, and get traffic, traffic, traffic, and we need more tools of which to accomplish this, because the internet is changing so rapidly, we need to change as rapidly with upgrading GDI tools available to us, or recommended at least to keep us out of spam trouble, I feel I am tredding water.

Respectfully Yours,
Dale Parks


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: DaleParks on July 07, 2007, 05:39:21 PM
In view of no public response to my post above, I have had a few more thoughts. If the GDI Spam Policy "that you have to know the people personally that you are sending emails too, or it is considered Spamming is adhered too, I do not see how anyone is able to do mass mailings with opt outs and unsubscribe links. There is no way in God's beautiful green earth that you can comply with the strict policy. I thought as long as you give people the opportunity to opt out or unsubscribe, you were following the AntiSpam Laws. But under the definition above other than safelists, developing your own mailing list and opt ins, which works if you are selling mutiple things, how do those of you perform mass mailings comply. Traffic, traffic, traffic. :-)

Dale


Title: Reporting GDI ads as spam on Facebook!!!
Post by: TNassar on February 16, 2008, 08:25:20 AM
Hi everyone,

I tried posting a listing on facebook earlier last week asking anyone interested in GDI. I then get an email from Facebook customer service saying that they took out my listing for the reason that it was SPAM!!!  I wrote back to them saying how legitimate the whole thing is and how I wouldn't jeopordise my reputation on theirs by spamming and their excuse was that they have the right to choose what goes on without any other reason.

Any advise on such an issue?

Thanks


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: SuzannA on June 03, 2008, 04:57:33 PM
Well, I'm sort of new to all this and am concerned about the link that GDI has for opting out.

 http://mail.global-site-communications.ws/delete.cgi?email=REMOVE_MY_EMAIL_ADDRESS

When I do a test of this to myself in my email template and click on the link (putting in my email address before even sending it to myself), it takes me to my back office and I see nowhere to actually opt out. Is this done behind the scenes? It sure isn't obvious. I noticed another link in the beginning of this post. Is it a better link? Legal and all?

Help quickly!!

Suzann


Title: Please help me understand if this is spam?
Post by: Miller_Mitchell on July 17, 2009, 03:17:18 PM
I want to use the invite tool to people I have sold things to on Ebay unrelated to money making.
Will GDI say that is spam? I have email addresses for my customers from paypal,and its a huge list of people. Please please someone let me know.
-Ron


Title: Re: Please help me understand if this is spam?
Post by: Gus Dawson on July 17, 2009, 07:24:15 PM
If you have a e-mail list that you made from the sale of your product then to e-mail them want be a problem. But if you payed for a list you and  you send them offer they don't know you that is spam.

Because they don't know you thay don't want anything you have to offer!

Even if you made a list from the sale of your product and you send them e-mail and they tell you not to send them any e-mail and you send it anyway that is spam too! :'(


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: AllanC on September 20, 2010, 09:51:45 AM
When I was trying to pin down what was not working with my GDI email forwarding thingy. Never did figure that out-it just started to work again. Weird. But during that period I turned off my ISP spam program. I now get loads of spam. Much without even the disclaimer or opt out notice at the bottom. I wonder how they get away with all that.
But I still have the spam stopper not turned on. I am starting to get into the spam. Some of it is downright rude and others are tooo funny. I may be turning into a spam junkie here!!! Help before I turn into a spammer too!! Oh it hurts! But honestly it is way funny-my sides hurt from laughing at the spam I get!  :D
I am sick-but I know it.
Deborah H
ps, SPAMing is bad guys--don't do it..you won't be laughing when you get caught if you are doing it. 8)

What a lot of people don't know is spammers use fake email headers and phoney email addresses to send spam, some use open mail relays on the internet (that is a email server that lets any one even a bot send a email from it without having a account on that server). Almost all mail servers now days block senders from sending email if they dont have an account on the mail server. Some spammers host their own mail server to send spam as well.

I have my own mail servers in our business and we also require new incomming emailers to verify to a mail request that they are not a spam bot before allowing their message to be sent to our users. So if they do not reply or their email address is fake their message is held 3 days then deleted.






Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: WilliamAmis on March 01, 2012, 01:57:22 PM
Hi everyone,

I tried posting a listing on facebook earlier last week asking anyone interested in GDI. I then get an email from Facebook customer service saying that they took out my listing for the reason that it was SPAM!!!  I wrote back to them saying how legitimate the whole thing is and how I wouldn't jeopordise my reputation on theirs by spamming and their excuse was that they have the right to choose what goes on without any other reason.

Any advise on such an issue?

Thanks

Facebook require you to have a "Fan Page" if your doing business. You can not sell anything on you personal page. They will cancel your account and lock your IP address from creating a new one. Stop doing it on your personal account. It only takes 3 minutes to build a business Fan page on Facebook.

If you need assistance contact me day or night. I love supporting our GDI family.


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: WilliamAmis on June 21, 2012, 10:26:43 AM
For any member who want to know how to do it right the first time. Send me your email and I will issue you the GDI Wealth Guide that has it all in a simple format. Also, samples to copy. You can not go wrong.

I am just here to serve all our GDI family with the right answers the first time. You can receive the information once I get a request.

Talk soon!


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: WilliamAmis on June 25, 2012, 12:08:51 PM
Listen everyone. This is simple and should be an adventure. Why are people scared to send an email to people they know?

Hey, you know someone and have been in contact with them for some while. You have built a bond of friendship. You issue them an invite. They know you and both have send numerous emails back and forth. What is the big difference. Get over this little thing and move one.

I rarely utilize GDI invite system based on it has its limitations. I send to my contact which are well over 31017 group members. I have no time to wait and repeat to get through all of them. I write each on personally and issue a card to their email and physical address. It works very well with response and interest.

What every works for you do it. Just remain ethical and transparent. Hey, do it with class and emotion then if it doesn't feel right stop. That is so simple and get to the point. No fear all action .


Title: Re: Spam Policy
Post by: WilliamAmis on June 29, 2012, 09:12:43 AM
If you want the whole policy request from me the GDI Wealth Guide. It is free and has everything each person keeps going in circles here about. Just shoot me a request via my business email and I will attach it to a reply.

Simply and now can we move on with this subject matter. It is simple if you know what your doing. Just be transparent and get the facts then you can't go wrong. Simple and priceless.


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